{"id":6359,"date":"2022-05-04T10:45:09","date_gmt":"2022-05-04T14:45:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.tempestmag.org\/v01_2020\/staging\/?p=6359"},"modified":"2025-09-08T21:03:42","modified_gmt":"2025-09-09T01:03:42","slug":"theyve-been-working-on-the-railroad","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/tempestmag.org\/test02\/2022\/05\/theyve-been-working-on-the-railroad\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;Miserable&#8221; and getting worse"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">Paul KD:<\/span><strong> Ross, can you start by talking a little bit about yourself and what you do and what <a href=\"https:\/\/www.railroadworkersunited.org\/\">Railroad Workers United<\/a> is?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">Ross Grooters:<\/span> Definitely. So I\u2019m Ross Grooters. I\u2019m a railroad worker. I work as a locomotive engineer and I\u2019m co-chair of Railroad Workers United, which is a cross-craft coalition made up of various members from 13 different railroad craft unions. Railroad Workers United essentially was formed to bring these different rail unions together, the rank and file of the different unions together in a discussion to help make our unions, and therefore our workplaces, better for all the workers on the railroad. Railroad Workers United has been around for more than 10 years. It seems like time flies. We have a biennial convention, and it coincides with Labor Notes.<\/p>\n<p>And I guess a little more about me is I\u2019ve been working on the railroad for 18 years and live here in the Midwest. I\u2019m involved in a myriad of things: I\u2019m a member of DSA, and I\u2019m on my local city council representing workers\u2019 interests, and serve on the public transit commission.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_6360\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-6360\" style=\"width: 1024px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-6360\" src=\"https:\/\/tempestmag.org\/test02\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/olive-street-rail-road-strikers-f6ef00.jpg\" alt=\"An antique photo of midwest railroad workers.\" width=\"1024\" height=\"614\" srcset=\"https:\/\/tempestmag.org\/test02\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/olive-street-rail-road-strikers-f6ef00.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/tempestmag.org\/test02\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/olive-street-rail-road-strikers-f6ef00-600x360.jpg 600w, https:\/\/tempestmag.org\/test02\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/olive-street-rail-road-strikers-f6ef00-300x180.jpg 300w, https:\/\/tempestmag.org\/test02\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/olive-street-rail-road-strikers-f6ef00-768x461.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-6360\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">An earlier moment of Midwest railroad worker militancy. Olive street, St Louis, railroad strikers, 1881. <a href=\"https:\/\/picryl.com\/media\/olive-street-rail-road-strikers-f6ef00\">Photo<\/a> by Missouri History Museum.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">PKD: <\/span><strong>So, I\u2019ve seen a lot of reports about the current state of the railways. And so I guess the first question is just, what is it like working right now for you? And then, as a part B to that, how has the pandemic, and also the George Floyd uprising back in 2020, impacted your work?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">RG:<\/span> So, I think the shortest answer I can give for summing up what it\u2019s like working on the railroad right now is it\u2019s miserable. It\u2019s not a good work environment. It\u2019s incredibly toxic, and it\u2019s been made so increasingly in recent years because the railroads have adopted a model called Precision Scheduled Railroading. This has been around for a while and was first implemented on the Illinois Central, a smaller railroad, and then migrated to Canada to work on some of the Class One railroads up there, and eventually now has in some form been adopted by all the major railroad carriers.<\/p>\n<p>This model is essentially the Wall Street financialization of railroads. It\u2019s just squeezing every last penny. It\u2019s production above all else, and trying to make sure that operating ratios are maximized. All these kind of business jargon that are used, it\u2019s really just squeezing more out of workers for less and that\u2019s in a nutshell. It doesn\u2019t help run the railroads any better. It doesn\u2019t help consumers or customers. It doesn\u2019t help people in our communities. It doesn\u2019t help the workers. It\u2019s just simply about the bottom line and Wall Street profits.<\/p>\n<p>So that\u2019s a little bit about how the railroad is operating right now and what it\u2019s like to work on the railroad. As far as the pandemic goes, one of the first things I can point out is that very early in the spring of 2020 the railroads were all ready to go. They operate together in a national rail carriers coalition, and they were ready very early on with a series of emergency exemptions on regulations.<\/p>\n<p>So essentially, they deregulated as much as they could through the Federal Railroad Administration, which oversees rules that the railroads operate by. And so, they implemented all kinds of exemptions on safety and inspections and, what they could get away with, with working rules.<\/p>\n<aside class=\"pullquote\">As far as the pandemic goes\u2026in the spring of 2020 the railroads were all ready to go\u2026with a series of emergency exemptions on regulations\u2026they deregulated as much as they could<\/aside>\n<p>And so they got all these things passed. And then when it came to actually implementing safety protocols or protecting workers, there was very little. Eventually mask mandates were implemented for the railroads by the federal government, but done so pretty lax and not with any effectiveness.<\/p>\n<p>I would say that most workers probably had as much or more protections than railroad workers, who pretty much went about working throughout the pandemic as if it was business as usual. And of course we saw the same kinds of cuts to the workforce so that they can operate with fewer workers, some of that due to people getting sick. At the same time, you had little attention to putting in protections in place that would help the workers. We don\u2019t get unemployment. We rely on what\u2019s called railroad unemployment, through the Railroad Retirement Board. So it comes out of a self-funded retirement fund. Its subsidy is substantially less than unemployment.<\/p>\n<p>And it was just incredibly hard. I know people that got sick at work for railroads that were disciplined. That wasn\u2019t necessarily the norm, but it wasn\u2019t uncommon. And it\u2019s worth noting that railroads are one of the top violators of whistleblower protection. Reporting an illness that you got on the job would be one of those protections. So despite those protections, railroads violate that routinely.<\/p>\n<p>You asked about the George Floyd protests and to my knowledge, it didn\u2019t affect the railroad. Although I can remember working one night in the Summer of 2020 when I could smell tear gas at work on a locomotive here in Des Moines, Iowa, which is just incredible when you think about it. I don\u2019t think it really affected anything in terms of my workplace, and I don\u2019t know of any throughout the nation.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">PKD: <\/span><strong>What are the racial and sexual dynamics within the workforce?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">RG:<\/span> I\u2019m not sure of the demographics of the railroad industry. Anecdotally, It\u2019s going to depend on craft or geographic location. I would say here it\u2019s dominated by white men. I think that there is diversity on the railroad without question, but a lot of times it tends to be in the other crafts that I don\u2019t work in.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">PKD: <\/span><strong>When I was doing some prep for the interview, I found <a href=\"https:\/\/www.c-span.org\/video\/?17607-1\/railroad-strike#\">an old CSPAN clip from 1991<\/a>, which is the last time that there was a national rail strike. The workers were calling in, and they were talking about similar issues, like having to be on call 24\/7, the rails wanting to cut jobs, then from five to two, and now I think it\u2019s from two to one.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>So, the question then is, how have workers over the last 40 years faced this onslaught? And then the second question is, what will it take to actually break this pattern of job cuts and rationalization and so forth?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">RG:<\/span> I\u2019d love to see the clip. I\u2019m trying to think if I work with anybody who would have been on the railroad in 1991, and I can\u2019t think of any locally who would have been around to even ask that question to. It is a very similar struggle. And I think my answer comes down to organizing. We need to organize our workplaces, organize our unions. We have an organized workplace in that we have a union. But, our unions need to be organized! And when I say unions, there are 13 different craft railroad unions. We can\u2019t just be in our craft bubbles, we need to be building coalitions that are across union internationals and educating ourselves and our coworkers. I don\u2019t want to get too Wobbly, but it is the old mantra of, educate, agitate, organize, and I guess that is how I see that we can break the struggle.<\/p>\n<p>And that\u2019s one of the reasons that I\u2019m involved with Railroad Workers United. We\u2019re not going to break that cycle unless we\u2019re coming together and engaging in that common struggle to fight back against these companies making billions of dollars in profits.<\/p>\n<aside class=\"pullquote\">[T]here are 13 different craft railroad unions. We can\u2019t just be in our craft bubbles, we need to be building coalitions that are across union internationals and educating ourselves and our coworkers. I don\u2019t want to get too Wobbly, but it is the old mantra of, educate, agitate, organize\u2026<\/aside>\n<p>Once we begin to come together and organize internally, then we start to turn outside and organize externally. I think that\u2019s where I\u2019m talking about the airlines. We both fall into the Railway Labor Act. There\u2019s opportunities there for us to work together outside of our industry, in an industry that\u2019s under similar federal regulation. Railroad Workers United is working on building some relationships with some more leftist rank and file truckers that are organizing out West.<\/p>\n<p>So things like that, where we\u2019re turning our eyes kind of externally and trying to build support for what it is we see happening. And there\u2019s overlap, right? Like what\u2019s happening on the rail industry is not unique to rails. It\u2019s all over in every industry throughout the country.<br \/>\n&amp;nbsp<br \/>\n<span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">PKD: <\/span><strong>Do you want to talk about how it works, that you have 13 unions on the same job? And then second to that, what is your role as a rank-and-file group? What is RWU\u2019s role as an industry-wide grouping, especially when we start to talk about the RLA bargaining process, which is super complex?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">RG:<\/span> Yeah, the bargaining process is definitely one that\u2019s complex. When we talk about Railroad Workers United and our role in bargaining, we don\u2019t necessarily have one, we don\u2019t represent anybody. We\u2019re just a coalition. Kind of like almost a cross-craft caucus, if you will. So contracts and bargaining is something strictly left to the 13 craft unions. To the craft unions\u2019 credit, this round of bargaining they\u2019ve held together. All 13 crafts, just like the rail carriers, have maintained a unity in bargaining.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ve been without contract for over two years now. We operate under the previous contract under the Railway Labor Act, and the bargaining does get quite complex. It\u2019s only within the last couple months that that process has moved out of the second stage. And there\u2019s up to 15 or 16 stages.<\/p>\n<p>So the initial step is the companies file what\u2019s called a Section Six notice. The Section Six notice is essentially your demand. So the company files its demand, the rail unions file their demands and kind of exchange them.<\/p>\n<p>Those tend to be just wordy documents. I think a couple of years ago, when I read through what the rail carriers wanted, it was like, 26 or 30 pages. And not saying specifically, but more broadly, like, \u201chey, this is what\u2019s going on with our industry and what we expect out of bargaining.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And so those are exchanged, and then the two parties come together at the negotiating table. So going back to Railroad Workers United, I think this is where we come in. First off, we haven\u2019t always, as craft unions, bargained together. Pattern bargaining, just like other industries, exists and the companies would pit us off against each other and try to get one craft to sign something that could be pushed down through all crafts.<\/p>\n<p>In the past, that happened. I think Railroad Workers United really pushed to insist that all of our unions bargain together. I\u2019m not sure how much influence we had on that process, but I\u2019d like to think it was not insignificant. That\u2019s part one, but then there\u2019s a lot I can\u2019t tell you about what the bargaining process has been because as a railroad worker, I just don\u2019t have the information. It doesn\u2019t make it down to our level.<\/p>\n<aside class=\"pullquote\">[T]he thing the Railway Labor Act is designed to do is keep railroad workers working every step of the way. There are protections built in to protect workers from seeking self-help or going on strike.<\/aside>\n<p>So we go through this convoluted process under the Railway Labor Act. I can send you a PDF that Railroad Workers United put out in the last round of bargaining that just kind of details all those steps. I think the big takeaway is, it goes through this process, each step of the way, whether it\u2019s arbitration or mediation or you know, all these different steps, the thing the Railway Labor Act is designed to do is keep railroad workers working every step of the way.<\/p>\n<p>There are protections built in to protect workers from seeking self-help or going on strike. That\u2019s an important piece for people to know about the Railway Labor Act is, as railroad workers, it is very difficult for us to find that path to a strike. I think it was the contract of about 12 years ago, we were probably hours from going on strike. And then President Obama instituted a Presidential Emergency Board, where he appointed people who sit down, look at both sides, and propose a solution that then becomes a contract that can be ratified by both parties. That appears to be the direction we\u2019re headed in, in this round of negotiations, as well as best I can tell.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">PKD:<\/span> <strong>Great. Just on the day-to-day experience, if you\u2019re an engineer and you\u2019re working with a conductor, who\u2019s in a different union, what does that look like on the day-to-day? If both of you are having an issue, do you file grievances in separate processes or something?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">RG:<\/span> That\u2019s a great question. And the short answer is yes. We would have different contracts, so over the one hundred and fifty years or so that the rail unions have been around, agreements have been built upon agreements have been built upon agreements, and different crafts have all had their own little nuances in their agreements. So as a locomotive engineer, my contract grievances might not be the same as a conductor who I\u2019m working with on that same shift. A lot of times they may be similar, but not always. That process is, again, designed in favor of the employer to keep us from really seeking any kind of meaningful remediation. It\u2019s a convoluted process that eventually goes to an arbiter to rule a monetary value for whatever contract violation has occurred. Those can be very different from conductor to engineer.<\/p>\n<p>I will say that, you know, we\u2019re all coworkers together in the same workplace. We socialize together, we know each other and I have a lot of respect for members of <a href=\"https:\/\/smart-union.org\/about-smart\/\">SMART-TD<\/a>. They\u2019re the ones who primarily represent the conductors. I\u2019m a member of <a href=\"https:\/\/ble-t.org\/about-the-blet\/\">BLET<\/a>, which primarily represents the rail engineers. I could choose to be a member in either union or even both unions. If I wanted to pay double dues, I could do that. But for me, it\u2019s who holds my contract and that\u2019s where I need to be. But I have a lot of respect for what SMART-TD is doing.<\/p>\n<p>To the credit of our rail unions, more and more over the last few years, we\u2019ve seen joint statements from both SMART-TD and BLET, and we\u2019ve seen them working more closely together. And again, going back to Railroad Workers United, I don\u2019t want to toot our own horn too much, but that was one of the main drivers of our creation, to bring these two crafts in particular together because they were definitely at odds fifteen, twenty years ago. We just really wanted to stop that and say that, \u201chey, we\u2019re, we\u2019re in the same workplaces where we\u2019re working together. We need to be in this together.\u201d We have a common enemy, and it\u2019s that simple.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s been a positive change. And I do think Railroad Workers United has had some responsibility in helping steer that direction.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">PKD: <\/span><strong>How did you go about that? What has been the work that RWU has done to move that forward?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">RG:<\/span> I\u2019ve been in Railroad Workers United since 2015. So, I wasn\u2019t there in the beginning when a lot of these conversations were happening. But, first off, it\u2019s coming together in one space to say \u201cthese are the issues.\u201d And then start to work on some framing and common language to go back to our respective unions and maybe issue a resolution that says, \u201cHey, let\u2019s bargain coordinated as an all-crafts coalition.<\/p>\n<aside class=\"pullquote\">[G]oing back to Railroad Workers United, I don\u2019t want to toot our own horn too much, but\u2026one of the main drivers of our creation, to bring these two crafts in particular together because they were definitely at odds\u2026We just really wanted to stop that and say that, \u201chey, we\u2019re, we\u2019re in the same workplaces where we\u2019re working together. We need to be in this together.\u201d<\/aside>\n<p>We\u2019ve passed so many resolutions over the years that it\u2019s hard to point to just one that stands out. And when we\u2019ve done that, when we\u2019ve taken those actions, we\u2019ve been sure to send those to the craft union and say, \u201cHey, this is what we believe in and what we expect of our union leadership.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s been over a decade of things like that. I don\u2019t think that\u2019s necessarily the only thing I\u2019d point to as to what we\u2019ve done, but for the life of me and maybe it\u2019s because I worked all night last night, I can\u2019t think of a better example right now.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">PKD:<\/span> <strong>I think that\u2019s a really great example of kind of like, yeah, like the slow day-to-day work that makes something happen in a hard-to-change structure, like a union.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">RG:<\/span> One other thing. You\u2019re doing this interview for <i>Tempest<\/i> and that\u2019s something that Railroad Workers United has done is we\u2019ve had a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.railroadworkersunited.org\/the-highball-rwus-newsletter\">quarterly newsletter<\/a> that we put out, where we can share these positions and have some commentary on the state of the unions and the industry. We\u2019ve been able to communicate with rank-and-file workers through that newsletter. And there\u2019s no doubt that railroad union leadership has seen those as well. You know, when we\u2019re using language that we then see mirrored in our national leadership, is it coincidence maybe? I\u2019ll let your readers decide.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">PKD: <\/span><strong>You know, in the grocery store industry, there are a lot of Facebook groups. They\u2019re the only way a lot of people can talk to each other across the industry, but it\u2019s just people saying angry things in the comments on Facebook. That\u2019s not the same as the newsletter. So that\u2019s something that seems to me like a difference between y\u2019all and other unions.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">RG:<\/span> I mean, there\u2019s definitely those things on the railroad too. Kind of reactionary festivals on Facebook. I think another thing that I just mentioned and highlighted is every two years, we\u2019re getting together as railroad workers and putting on a two day conference in conjunction with Labor Notes. Barring any strange occurrences from COVID, we\u2019ll be there this summer in Chicago and I hope to have some panels in conjunction with Labor Notes, where maybe we\u2019re having some of the same conversations as this one here right now, across the industries.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">PKD: <\/span><strong>You\u2019ve mentioned about how there are these really big complicated processes and how a lot of it is designed to keep the worker working and tilt in favor of the employer. I can assume that on the day-to-day workers get pissed off at their job. I\u2019ve seen a lot of writing about the Great Resignation and people saying, \u201cFuck you, I quit\u201d as some kind of subconscious political act. So, how are workers resisting stuff like this on the day-to-day?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">RG:<\/span> It\u2019s a valid question. I\u2019m not sure. I think it\u2019s a mixed bag. The railroad has always been kind of a career industry, right? We have a very good retirement. It\u2019s better than social security. We pay into it throughout our careers and it can be a very good reason to stay on the railroad until age sixty for that thirty-and-sixty. We have seen more and more people who are fed up with it and choosing to leave the industry who have ten, fifteen years in. That is incredible, an uncommon and a newer development.<\/p>\n<p>The railroads have helped push that. For the last ten to twelve years, coming out of the housing bubble, the railroads hired large numbers of workers. And throughout that period, they would furlough and recall these people two, three, and four times. You can imagine maybe going through that, what that might be like. At some point you\u2019re gonna make a rational choice. This is just not worth it. The railroads have operated in that way for so long that now when the pandemic hits, there was this crunch, and it\u2019s a very favorable environment for workers to be able to choose their employment.<\/p>\n<p>People aren\u2019t choosing the railroad. Hiring sessions are happening and they\u2019re not getting applicants like they once did. The job isn\u2019t sounding as lucrative as it once was, and the railroads have tarnished their images. They\u2019ve self-inflicted these wounds and created the situation where people just do not want to work for them.<\/p>\n<p>They can go work for similar money somewhere else with a better schedule or a more reliable schedule. Being furloughed is no fun. People just don\u2019t want to go through that and have that uncertainty. And even now that everybody has come back from furlough that wants to, there\u2019s a shortage of workpower. They don\u2019t have the labor they need to operate efficiently, and it leads to people being burnt out more and more. People are working more, they\u2019re working longer hours, they\u2019re working harder, they don\u2019t have the time off. It does lead to a lot of individual action absent that kind of internal union organizing.<\/p>\n<aside class=\"pullquote\">People aren\u2019t choosing the railroad. Hiring sessions are happening and they\u2019re not getting applicants like they once did. The job isn\u2019t sounding as lucrative as it once was, and the railroads have tarnished their images. They\u2019ve self-inflicted these wounds<\/aside>\n<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">PKD: <\/span><strong>That was really fascinating. It\u2019s really interesting to hear about an industry where they\u2019re trying to turn it from \u201cyou work thirty years and you retire\u201d into this kind of reserve army of labor, kind of like how construction works. So, looking ahead, there is a history of nearly unanimous votes by Congress to end railroad strikes when they happen. I read a quote from a Democrat in 1991, the last time they had one of these votes, and he was saying he had \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/1991\/04\/18\/us\/congress-votes-to-halt-rail-strike-hours-after-thousands-walk-off-job.html\">never seen an issue resolved with so little partisan politics<\/a>.\u201d So I think one question is what does this tell us about our political system? But then also, we\u2019re both members of DSA and there are DSA elected officials in Congress.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>So what could a socialist elected like AOC do to support you, besides not taking part in that bipartisan extravaganza?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"dropcap-speaker\">RG:<\/span> I mean, I think not playing part is, you hit the nail on the head with that, but really it\u2019s just knowing the workers\u2019 issues and the workers\u2019 stories. I hate to rely too much on what Bernie Sanders has done in helping organize labor and being there to hear labor and support labor, but that\u2019s a large part of it. Just knowing worker\u2019s issues and being an advocate and helping tell those stories, knowing that these companies turn out fat dividend checks every quarter and make billions in profits. Really, they need to be sharing that wealth.<\/p>\n<p>At some point it could come down to a congressional decision. I would hope that those DSA elected officials are there advocating for workers in those spaces. It\u2019s potentially a pressure point at the same time. We as workers need to put in the legwork to organize and get our stories out there, and share our narrative to ensure that the public support is being built for Congress to make the decision they should and represent workers and not these companies.<\/p>\n<p>When we\u2019re sitting around and have a few free moments to talk about the state of our industry it is certainly that discussion about the crew size and the reduction in jobs. We\u2019ve already seen reduction in jobs, in crafts like maintenance employees whether it be track or rail cars, or locomotives, we\u2019ve already seen reductions in those workforces.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ve seen them in the conductors and engineers. Those are going to continue, but of course the prize for the railroads is crew size. Right now, on a freight railroad, there\u2019s a conductor and engineer. They\u2019d love to have just one and I\u2019m sure their dream is to fully automate and have nobody in the cab of a locomotive.<\/p>\n<p>It hasn\u2019t gone unnoticed that as we\u2019re working more and more, and there\u2019s fewer and fewer employees, that there is sort of this manufactured crisis being brought forth that is causing the rail carriers to not operate efficiently. Eventually they\u2019re not going to be functioning the way they need to transport freight across the country. When that happens, I think we as workers see the writing on the wall that they\u2019re gonna say, \u201cHey, we don\u2019t have the employees to do this. So let us do it with fewer employees, let us do it with one crew member. Let us do it with nobody in that cab.\u201d<\/p>\n<aside class=\"pullquote\">It hasn\u2019t gone unnoticed that as we\u2019re working more and more, and there\u2019s fewer and fewer employees, that there is sort of this manufactured crisis being brought forth<\/aside>\n<p>And so, when it comes to Congress and bipartisanship, I hope that the narrative that is communicated is that these companies are, are definitely creating this, and it\u2019s self-inflicted. It\u2019s likely they\u2019re doing it intentionally to push for this end goal. We, as workers, can\u2019t fall for that, and hopefully the public and elected officials don\u2019t either.<\/p>\n<p><small>Featured image credit: <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Metro-North_Bronx_track_work_continues_(9517202857).jpg\">Metropolitan Transportation Authority of the State of New York<\/a>. 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